gary_g
2024
Yes that’s more accurate.
Apr 26, 2024,00:38 AM
But this directive comes from each company. The ADs don’t care. Or prefer to give the discount to sell something they can’t move.
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Only PP ADs can
By: jim_94104 : April 18th, 2024-17:38
so, I was looking for a Calatrava 5226G or 6119G. I have visited five ADs in three different countries thus far. Here is a catalog of unusual questions they have posed to me: 1. This can only be a cash only transaction. No credit card payments for PP watc...
Remember in law school...?
By: patrick_y : April 19th, 2024-23:01
Remember in law school classes, we had to defend both sides? Amanico, please play devil's advocate - I think we can agree that there is some legitimate reasons why retailers have to ask these annoying questions.
:)
By: amanico : April 25th, 2024-14:02
🤣🤣🤣
By: jim_94104 : April 19th, 2024-23:39
LOL!
By: amanico : April 25th, 2024-14:02
😂😂
By: The Wellingtonian : April 25th, 2024-23:41
Wow…last time I visited a PP and Rolex AD was in Germany 2022…
By: Clueless_Collector : April 18th, 2024-17:49
They did say “no” to Tourists especially Rolex but there are some PP pilots and WT 5230s that I can still buy, no such questions. Being able to travel to Europe and buy some nice watches used to be a fun experience and memories. I didn’t know things have ...
that's what we do too
By: jim_94104 : April 18th, 2024-17:56
go back home to Asia and purchase watches. Apparently that is a no go now for PP
yeap
By: jim_94104 : April 18th, 2024-23:26
well, what goes around will come around. Those AD offering discounts on SS Nautilus model won't that long ago. May come back again 😎
I was also told "no tourists" at multiple stores in Germany too.
By: patrick_y : April 19th, 2024-23:21
Sure, I could quickly complain that the store judged me, didn't like me, didn't like what I was wearing, or something else and say the store is judging me in some unethical way - but these would be claims with little supporting evidence. But, from a busin...
While I agree it's cumbersome, I understand the underlying need...
By: patrick_y : April 18th, 2024-17:54
When you have more customers than watches, and an arbitrage opportunity for bad actors, these kind of measures are understandable and even reasonable. Simply put, the brand wants to know who their dealers are selling their watches to. As easy as that. And...
I don't buy that fallacy
By: jim_94104 : April 18th, 2024-18:49
just because there are some crooks out there, u start treating everyone that walks through your door a criminal?
You'd be surprised...
By: patrick_y : April 18th, 2024-18:52
I totally understand how you feel. But, you are not considering empirical data nor are you giving empathy to the retailer's dilemma. A study was done, and watchmakers have access to said study, a fairly large double digit percentage of watches are bought ...
By: Peter : April 19th, 2024-20:39
so you are ok with those practices of certain ADs because some people resell their watches? would you go 'interview' for buying a watch? i believe that attitude is indefensible.
You're not considering both sides of the equation...
By: patrick_y : April 19th, 2024-22:59
First of all, you're asking the wrong question. It's not about how I feel about the situation. Ask a judge or a lawyer or a mediator and it's never about how they feel. And for you to use the phrase "that attitude is indefensible" suggests you're very unl...
dude, we are talking about buying a watch
By: jim_94104 : April 19th, 2024-23:42
money is in my pocket, put it crudely. U choose not to sell to me, I go somewhere else. But don't forbid me from bitching. And never ask me to do your work for u by coming up with a solution.
ADs behavioral patterns
By: Peter : April 19th, 2024-20:34
i believe it is more complicated than that. certainly ADs feel the pressure from PP to choose their customers well. but at the same time some of them (ab)use this situation and the artificial scarcity of PP sports watches (the others you can buy under ret...
I started this thread to share a candid situation
By: jim_94104 : April 20th, 2024-00:04
never thought it would turn into this serious a topic, where esquire and law school got thrown around. Like u said, it's just a watch 😅 That said, I'm beginning to see a trend here. Grey mkt. I should start looking into that. I will let others be "intervi...
+1
By: jim_94104 : April 18th, 2024-18:39
I’m done with
By: E in PA : April 18th, 2024-18:29
Rolex Patek Journe
Thanks
By: jim_94104 : April 18th, 2024-19:00
one day I may start looking into that area
I would walk out the store
By: PaddyP : April 19th, 2024-00:48
When they ask these kind of questions. None of their business. Save yourself a substantial amount and buy from a reputable third party / dealer. They sure know how to ruin what should be a special experience these ADs.
I’m in the same boat, considering Ferrier also
By: PaddyP : April 26th, 2024-00:35
And have stopped going into Patek ADs as lost enjoyment visiting them. Another reason, I’m not interested in any production pieces the last few releases.
Kinda sick with such games...
By: patlek : April 19th, 2024-03:52
When i started my PP journey, got all sorts of questions asked - do you have a purchase record with us? - what are your existing collection? - what's your occupation? - Where's your residence? - Are you active on social media? Do you post frequently. - an...
good luck
By: jim_94104 : April 19th, 2024-10:07
Just outright sketchy
By: m2 : April 19th, 2024-05:42
Cash only is wild…. Personally that alone would make me run
I agree, that's my impression as well...
By: patrick_y : April 19th, 2024-23:06
My impression as well that they're trying to save on credit card fees. It's also a safety issue - stores are hit with a lot of credit card fraud - but they have insurance that covers this. One other distinction. When they said "cash only" are they expecti...
out of their minds....
By: Peter : April 19th, 2024-12:56
your wife is totally right, those questions are intrusive and inappropriate and violate the customer-AD relationship's definition. i would have answered: when did you have sexual intercourse the last time? ::: ))) there are other watchbands with beautiful...
agree
By: jim_94104 : April 19th, 2024-14:32
I see one of my issues now
By: jim_94104 : April 19th, 2024-18:49
I usually go in with TShirts and shorts (but the kind that is in and hard to get, if you are into streetwear) 🤣🤣 Oh they definitely asked for bundling. I thought that is a norm and don't bother to mention it here. A diamond watch for the Mrs is the min st...
As long as you wear a
By: GLau : April 20th, 2024-17:21
Patek on your wrist, you have a much better shot no matter what you wear !
AD behavior
By: Peter : April 20th, 2024-20:18
i talked to a friend today who runs an AD for the swatch group brands. he told me that the PP ADs can showcase those behavioral patters because PP explicitly condones it. nautilus/aquanaut for diamonds/jewlerry is absolutely normal.
depends on the AD...
By: Peter : April 25th, 2024-20:39
...i know of two ADs who have been doing it for years. very openly. however, another dealership in the same town got their PP contract cancelled. it is all about on where the AD is in TS' grace.
By: PaddyP : April 26th, 2024-00:33
This perhaps doesn’t happen in Europe but it definitely happens elsewhere with both Rolex and Patek. Bundling with other brands and diamonds jewellery is quite commonplace.
🎅👍
By: russell996 : April 28th, 2024-09:35
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Neither Patek nor Rolex will process tax refunds.
By: gary_g : April 21st, 2024-11:05
My understanding is that they think this step will prevent ppl from buying in EU and flipping in US or Asia. Same is happening with purses at places like Hermes and Chanel. There’s a limit to how many each customer can purchase (if they have anything to s...
Yes that’s more accurate.
By: gary_g : April 26th, 2024-00:38
But this directive comes from each company. The ADs don’t care. Or prefer to give the discount to sell something they can’t move.
actually, to be more precise...
By: Peter : April 28th, 2024-19:15
...PP and rolex tell their ADs to make sure that al least 80% of the watches they sell go to local clients. the ADs then somehow manage that request - reluctantly - and prioritize regular non-local clients over others. although PP and rolex have no way to...
That’s interesting.
By: gary_g : April 29th, 2024-01:37
In Capri I was told that Rolex doesn’t allow tax back. Patek in Capri told me the same thing . In 2023 Rome Patek, Rolex and FPJ had no watches for sale. So it was a moot point to ask about tax back.