B. A conversation with Octavio Garcia

May 31, 2013,08:56 AM
 

Prior to traveling to SIHH, as I confirmed my appointments, I was asked if I would like a private interview with AP Artistic Director Octavio Garcia.  It did not take even a moment to accept this incredible offer.  As a custom residential designer myself, I always enjoy engaging with fellow design professionals of any field.  There is always a common thread, and in my experience, a good designer is not just limited to his field of practice, but applies the creativity to other areas as well.  You certainly sense this attribute with Octavio.

We were also joined by Lukas Gopp, a design assistant to Mr. Garcia.

As with when I interviewed Giulio Papi, I had some ideas to discuss but prefer to let the conversation flow along.  Therefore, some of my specific questions were not raised, but we did cover a lot of interesting ground.

We began with a quick "State of AP", and we have already highlighted that in previous posts.  Basically, 2011 began a brand repositioning.  There remains a renewed focus on the core collections, and this year we see an emphasis on tradition and complications, as well as the women's collection.




Of course, I was most interested in hearing how an idea becomes reality at AP with regards to a new watch.  Octavio described the process as a 3 step "funnel design", which starts with a very wide scope and will get narrowed down as it moves forward to a very specific plan.  So the first step is the exploration of an idea, in which there are lots of inputs.  The other departments of AP are consulted, so there is an understanding of the challenges and how things will come together.  From here, the idea will become further defined, and sketches will be made to examine the concept.  The final aspect of the design is the continued refinement and development of details, down to perfection. 

Octavio spoke about the importance of the different departments being able to coordinate together.  Let's think of the Survivor, for example.  When that watch was created, there were many details that had to be worked on together.  The design team can conceive things on paper, but unless they can be translated and manufactured, it won't come to fruition.

As long as we are on the subject, let me share with you some more feedback on the Survivor.  It has always been a favorite watch of mine, and surely I wanted to talk about it.  It was the most engaging part of our discussion, and you could really feel the passion behind this watch design.  You could also sense the struggles that were overcome to finalize the piece.  I was told there are books of sketches and ideas sitting at the manufacture of the many details and ideas that were explored on this project.  It sounded as thought the funnel on this one started very wide, and it took some time before the ideas were whittled down to a specific scope.




Naturally, I asked about the possibility of a Survivor 2.  Octavio and Lukas exchanged a quick glance and small chuckle.  I'm not here to set the internet ablaze, but it was clear to me this idea has been considered.  While the designers certainly did not confirm such a watch is forthcoming, they also did not say it would never happen.  With the door cracked open, I explained my own ideas for the original watch.  As the details on that one leaked long before we saw photos, I had my own ideas and visions of how those crown guards would work.  Needless to say, my idea is quite different than the way the watch was built, but it was thoroughly enjoyable to discuss.  As I continued through how I would build a S2, Lukas asked me to wait and see what will come. 

I'll let you look into your own crystal balls on this topic, but I am enthusiastic ;-)




For all of my fellow PuristS, I did make sure to ask about the Starwheel, and a possible new watch based upon the original.  I am happy to report this concept is on the table, but the timing for such a watch has simply not been viable.  With the repositioning, focus on core collections, and new emphasis on the tradition/complications and women's collection, it is not the proper time to launch such a piece.  But I believe in time we will see this watch.

A few more general thoughts from Octavio Garcia:

- The Millenary Maserati Dual Time dial was one of the most difficult AP has ever designed and produced, and was referred to as a "Nightmare".  We can all agree AP did a magnificent job with that watch, even if the design is polarizing (and in my opinion, the nest designs always are).

- Octavio is very fond of the notched case type we have seen on the 25770s, Legacy, etc.  I do not think we have seen the last of the use of this case type, which I think is terrific.

- Forged carbon is a very dear material to the design team at AP.  They are very proud of it.  While we have already discussed this subject as well, it was very apparent that the material will be used again, even if not frequently.  Let's not forget AP has also released cermet and has continued to work on refining ceramic.  We have also seen tantalum used recently.  So there are many materials that are available for the manufacture, and while the current focus might not be on forged carbon, it does not mean it will not be used again.

- The Royal Oak Offshore is a "never look back" collection.  This remark was made in reply to my inquiry about the possibility of a 20th Anniversary Offshore being made.

I left the interview with Octavio and Lukas feeling that the Artistic Department at Audemars Piguet is very focused.  This character will seemingly mesh very well with future road map for Audemars Piguet.


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SIHH 2013 Audemars Piguet: The Grande Report

 
 By: MichaelC : January 28th, 2013-14:41
Well my Friends, it is time to begin PuristSPro in-depth coverage of Audemars Piguet's presentation at the 2013 Salon International de la Haute Horlogerie. This thread will be ongoing for the coming weeks, as we add and develop the various components of t...  

Part I - Review, Status, and 2013 Theme

 
 By: MichaelC : January 28th, 2013-15:33
In order to properly set the stage for the current direction at AP and best understand the new novelties, it is important to make a quick review of the past two years. In 2011, we saw a repositioning of the brand. While the new 44mm Offshores were launche...  

That is the difference!

 
 By: RTO (T8W8T8) : January 29th, 2013-12:22
Marvelous coverage so far Michael! That is why Purists is my favorite and a must daily reading forum to me. It is not just about pictures of the novelties or whoever post it first but a perfect link between past, present and future on the development of a... 

Thanks RTO.

 
 By: MichaelC : January 31st, 2013-06:09
I am definitely attempting to add some of the insight that was translated at the show, as it really pertains to not just this year but the coming years as well.

Thanks MIchael

 
 By: AllThingsWatches : January 29th, 2013-12:32
Can't wait to see the coverage.

Seems like AP is learning from the Sterns

 
 By: Ed. W : January 30th, 2013-10:49
who decided that it was dangerous to let the Nautilus take over the brand. Good move.

If they were learning anything at all from the Sterns..

 
 By: nautilus : January 30th, 2013-23:32
..then I don't believe they would be about to announce a price drop (which my AD confirmed on Wednesday). Having just bought a brand new rgrc, which I love despite the news, it is very annoying. The Sterns would be a lot less likely to have a price drop a... 

It is a subject that we have discussed here in the past

 
 By: MichaelC : January 31st, 2013-06:14
And surely one AP has been well aware of. Maybe not such a bad problem to have - immense popularity and growth within a few of the lines. But AP has a long history of tradition, and they are embracing their strong roots. It certainly seems they are well u... 

Clearly, a transition year for AP

 
 By: foversta : February 2nd, 2013-13:14
And it is absolutely not a problem: FHB and the whole AP staff are working hard on the future of the company by making some important strategic moves: distribution, upcoming movements, prices etc... So the 2013 collection was quiet but a lot of promises a... 

We heard the same message my Friend.

 
 By: MichaelC : February 2nd, 2013-15:15
I'm very confident in the direction and what we will see in coming years. You have to really applaud AP for analyzing where they were, and where they are going. It would have been very easy to keep making some new models here and there and remain on top. ... 

15202 for me!

 
 By: KIH : February 2nd, 2013-19:25
.. or skeleton version of it. BUT, other new offerings are attractive as well. Nice line-up and report, Michael! Ken

Ahhh, the mesmerizing 4101....

 
 By: David Elliott : February 6th, 2013-18:52
Great way to start off the coverage! Dave

Thanks Dave.

 
 By: MichaelC : February 11th, 2013-18:18
It is mesmerizing. Have you seen one in person (or do you maybe have one??)?

Part II - new watches

 
 By: MichaelC : January 31st, 2013-06:37
A quick summation of the new 2013 collection can be found in the following post: In this thread we will take a closer look at these watches.

A. Royal Oak Offshore Chronograph, ceramic case and bezel

 
 By: MichaelC : January 31st, 2013-14:01
Originally introduced in 2011, the 44mm Royal Oak Offshore Chronograph receives its first major revision this year with the option of a ceramic case middle. Of course, this version with the black dial originally launched with a forged carbon case middle, ...  

Nice photos, thanks. [nt]

 
 By: nautilus : January 31st, 2013-14:53

Here is a wristshot.

 
 By: foversta : February 2nd, 2013-13:52
Now I'm used with the new ROO pushers and I like them. Fx ...  

B. Royal Oak Offshore Diver, ceramic case and bezel

 
 By: MichaelC : February 2nd, 2013-08:04
2013 reveals another ceramic cased and bezeled watch, and this time it is a new version of the Royal Oak Offshore Diver. Water resistant to pressure sustained at a depth of 300m, the Offshore Diver is fully compliant with the NIHS 92-11 (ISO6425) norm. As...  

The ROO Ceramic Diver

 
 By: ED209 : February 2nd, 2013-11:13
Thanks for the photos of the ROO ceramic diver. Are the strap plots also in ceramic or are they PVD'd? Would be cool to see some lume shots. Regards, ED-209

Hello Ed. The strap plots are titanium.

 
 By: MichaelC : February 2nd, 2013-12:04
They are not blackened, and match the titanium pin buckle. In the press photo they do appear blackened, but they were not darkened on the samples we handled. I'll see about getting a lume shot to post.

Here is another wristshot.

 
 By: foversta : February 2nd, 2013-13:48
Maybe my fav AP novelty this year... Thanks for your comments about this watch. Fx ...  

Thanks Fx. Great shot

 
 By: MichaelC : February 2nd, 2013-14:56
As I wrote, my feelings for this one came alive as soon as I tried it on.

Nice write-up MichaelC

 
 By: M4 : February 3rd, 2013-04:57
The Diver is very appealing. Any hint from AP when these watches will start to hit the boutiques? Thanks, Dan

Thanks Dan. We should know more soon...

 
 By: MichaelC : February 3rd, 2013-12:53
We'll have the US trunk shows at the boutiques coming up, and as those approach we should get some more definitive information. I'll certainly keep you posted my Friend ;-)

C. Royak Oak Offshore Chronograph Perpetual Calendar

 
 By: MichaelC : February 4th, 2013-11:40
The first new novelties I discovered when walking into the AP display were the following reinterpretations of the chronograph perpetual calendars powered by the Calibre 2326/2839. These limited edition watches are offered in three different case materials...  

I like the titanium model too!

 
 By: M4 : February 7th, 2013-08:17
Thanks again Michael for your ongoing reports on this year's AP novelties. I like the details that you're bringing to light. Regarding the Offshore Perp Calendar models, I will admit to having had reservations about the suitability of a perpetual calendar... 

Thanks Dan. Full agreement here.

 
 By: MichaelC : February 7th, 2013-13:32
The old case style seems to get more charming to me by the day. This was my first opportunity to try on a Perpetual Chrono Offshore, and as you can tell, I was very impressed. I love your idea of the titanium bracelet. Truth is, you would have some awesom... 

I like the titanium ROO perpetual

 
 By: ED209 : February 10th, 2013-17:14
Wish they would make one in stainless steel with blue dial just like titanium one. Very cool though. Regards, ED-209

I was very impressed with it.

 
 By: MichaelC : February 11th, 2013-18:16
The black dial /titanium case was very alluring in person.

D. Royal Oak Offshore Chronograph 48mm, white gold diamond set case

 
 By: MichaelC : February 8th, 2013-09:15
Needless to say, the 2013 AP novelty that most caught me by surprise was the diamond encrusted 48mm Offshore Chronograph. Brand enthusiasts will immediately recognize this as the "T3" case platform - 48mm with the crown and hinged pusher guards. I must ad...  

Spectacular up close! [nt]

 
 By: MichaelC : February 11th, 2013-18:18

E. Selfwinding Royal Oak 37mm, white gold diamond set case

 
 By: MichaelC : February 15th, 2013-13:08
AP's first white gold Royal Oak Automatic in a 37mm case can really be considered a unixsex model, even if it more likely falls within the Women's Collection. The case middle, bezel, and folding clasp are set with a total of 152 brilliant-cut diamonds, to...  

F. Extra-Thin Jules Audemars 41mm

 
 By: MichaelC : March 5th, 2013-10:31
For 2013, AP introduces a beautiful new dial to the Jules Audemars 15180 range. It is a really cool radiating guilloche. The 12:00 hour marker is also gem-set. This watch marks the first time the bezel has been gem-set on an extra thin Jules Audemars 41mm...  

That's a lovely dress watch alternative

 
 By: AndrewD : June 28th, 2013-17:08
Even with gem set bezel. And the Cal. 2120 is a nice jewel to have inside as well. Thanks Michael Andrew

G. Jules Audemars 39mm selfwinding

 
 By: MichaelC : March 15th, 2013-08:26
Now we come to my favorite new watch of the women's collection, the 39mm Jules Audemars selfwinding with diamond bezel and hour markers. The dial on this one is really superb. Very new, very alluring, very feminine. As soon as I held this watch, I had a d...  

H. Jules Audemars small seconds

 
 By: MichaelC : March 15th, 2013-10:24
Like the 39mm Jules Audemars selfwinding, the 33mm handwind version receives the gorgeous new dial treatment featuring the guilloche center. In total, there are 4 versions of this watch: 2 come on a brown leather crocodile strap and two come with case met...  

I. Tradition Minute Repeater Tourbillon Chronograph

 
 By: MichaelC : April 5th, 2013-12:31
While it is completely acceptable that the new Royal Oak Offshore Grande Complications were the stars of the show, my favorite novelty from Audemars Piguet in 2013 is definitely the Tradition Minute Repeater Tourbillon Chronograph. I immediately added it ...  

J. Royal Oak Offshore Grande Complication

 
 By: MichaelC : April 25th, 2013-14:45
As our report on the Audemars Piguet 2013 novelties reaches a climax, we turn our attention to the true star of the show, the Royal Oak Offshore Grande Complication. AP's pedigree and experience in making Grande Complication timepieces is unrivalled in th...  

Great report

 
 By: njoy : January 31st, 2013-14:17
MC, I'm glad we were able to touch base in Geneva, I very much enjoyed your take on AP along with the great pictures you included in the report. Looking forward to more info on the latest creations.

Part III - Interviews

 
 By: MichaelC : May 24th, 2013-12:44
I was fortunate to interview Giulio Papi and Octavio Garcia, as well as share conversations with several other key folks at AP. I will share these exchanges in the following posts.

A. A conversation with Giulio Papi

 
 By: MichaelC : May 24th, 2013-12:45
A personal highlight for me in covering Audemars Piguet at SIHH was meeting and speaking with Giulio Papi. Without question, Giulio is one of the world's finest watchmakers, and from the beginning of his career, he has done things his way. Giulio started ...  

B. A conversation with Octavio Garcia

 
 By: MichaelC : May 31st, 2013-08:56
Prior to traveling to SIHH, as I confirmed my appointments, I was asked if I would like a private interview with AP Artistic Director Octavio Garcia. It did not take even a moment to accept this incredible offer. As a custom residential designer myself, I...  

Part IV - Conclusions and Observations

 
 By: MichaelC : June 20th, 2013-11:56
If you have made it this far with the reports, I hope you have attained a strong understanding of Audemars Piguet's position and offerings for 2013. Certainly, the new novelties presented this year uphold and execute the stated goals. The complicated mode...